JOHN: I was looking to I was too scared to break away from the Beatles, but I'd been looking to it since '65 when we stopped touring and, I'm - maybe Paul had too, I don't know. I can't speak for the others. - But, I made a movie "How I Won the War" with Dick Lester which never got much seen, but it did me a lot of good. Well, it did me a lot of good to get away, and it was a withdrawal. I was in Almira, Spain. I wrote "Strawberry Fields" there by the way. But I was there 6 weeks, and it gave me time to think and sort of and to be separate from the others but still be working and not left in thе house alone. And I used to think, wеll, you know, like a lot of people do: "Well, what can I do? If I don't do that and, so, from '65 on I was sort of vaguely looking for somewhere to go but didn't have the nerve to really step out in the boat by myself, push the boat off. So I sort of hung around and when I met and fell in love, "My GOD! this is different from anything before this is something other you know, this is well I don't know what it is, but this is fine [chuckle] this is Thank you, thank you!" you know. It's more than a hit record. It's more than gold, it's more than everything it's more than. This is something indescribable! And so that's what happened, you know, we just got so self-involved that I did free myself physically from the Beatles but not mentally. Mentally, I was still carrying them around. In the back, back, back of the head, although the initial love thing blinds everything. Everything is under shining lights, and you want everybody to be happy just like you, and it's you know, it's rather dizzying. Later on the love is different and one can slow down a little. It's not less it's just different and so therefore I could lift out all this garbage that was still being carried around which was influencing the way I thought and the way I lived, and all the rest of it. And then finally free myself from the, the mental, let's call it, Beatles, or '60's, or whatever it was. So the first one was a physical escape. and The second one was a mental escape. You know, "When are they coming back?" and "When are they going to do this?" and "What do you think of Paul?" and "What do you think of George?" I don't think!
"That old gang of mine..." That's all over, you know. When I met Yoko is when you meet your first woman, and you leave the guys at the bar, and you don't go play football anymore, and you don't go play snooker or billiards. Maybe some guys like to do it every Friday night, or something, and continue that relationship with the boys, but once I found the woman, the boys became of no interest whatsoever other than they were like old school friends, you know, "Hi, how are you? Nice to see you. How's your wife?" You know. That's it. That old gang of mine, it's all over. You know that song, "Those wedding bells are breaking up that old gang of mine." Well, it didn't hit me 'til whatever age I was when I met Yoko, which was 26. 1966 I met but the full impact didn't we didn't get married 'til '68, was it? It all blends into one big movie, but whatever, that was it! The old gang was over the moment I met her, I didn't consciously know it at the time but that's what was going on. As soon as I met her, that was the end of the boys! And it just so happened the boys were well known and weren't just the local guys at the bar. These were guys that everybody else knew, but it was the same thing. That's all over for that but then everybody got so upset about it and angry! But we were so involved in each other we just went and made the records and did sort of Bed-ins and we blasted our way through it!
YOKO: I just sort of you know, went to bed with this guy that I liked and suddenly the next morning I see these three guys standing with these resentful eyes, you know, I mean three relatives, suddenly appeared, you know. So it was inconvenient for me too.
JOHN: Not the bloody Beatles. Let's have no more Beatles, Christianity or Bob Dylan, okay? Let's make that a, because it all becomes the same thing, right.
Her Indica Gallery show was like meeting Don Juan, you know. At first I didn't realize who I was meeting but because I got the initial game, I played the initial game right, is the reason we connected, about the breathing and the apple and the "Yes" and the conceptual money and the nails and all that. Because I said the right answers, I got in. Whatever the right - like you know, the Zen Koan? Well it's the same thing, you know. There're many answers.
DAVID: You make it sound almost like a teacher-pupil relationship.
LENNON: It is a teacher-pupil relationship. That's what people don't understand. She's the teacher and I'm the pupil. I'm the famous one. I'm the one that's supposed to know everything, but she's my teacher. She's taught me everything I fucking know. The lessons are damned hard and I can't take it sometimes because those lessons are hard and that's why I'm the one that freaked out. When we were separate it was me making an asshole of myself in the clubs and in the newspapers. It wasn't her. Her life was ordered. She missed me as a human being and she loved me, but her life was ordered. I went back to her life, it wasn't the other way around.
YOKO: I think that love will never die. I mean once you know somebody you can never unknow the person. If they are not afraid of love then they are always going to love. It's alright to be afraid. That's what I am saying in this song "don't be afraid to be afraid". Don't be shy, don't be scared, you know, it's all that.
JOHN: Your asking me why we met? You know, I mean, I don't know, it's like asking why were you born? You know, I mean, I can give you theories of Karmic pasts and things like that, but I've no idea why but why it continues because is we wanted it to continue and worked hard to continue and what I was getting to, the point where, there seems to be certain cycles that relationships go through, and the critical points are at different parts of the, different cycle, you now, different points if there's a straight line, at different points, you know? And the sort of bit, the new way of talking is like, well, you know, why have a relationship, we just stop and get another one. But the Karmic joke about that is, that, any new relationship - presuming you're lucky enough to find a new relationship of anywhere near the relationship that you're giving up, or exchanging, or walking away from, or have destroyed by inattention or inadvertence or selfishness or whatever it is, that you have to go through the same thing again, anyway you reach the same point, and that's why some of the poor dingbats in, in my business or in so called "show business", go through it over and over and over again, right up 'til they're 70 because they can never grasp onto the fact that they're going to have to go through the same thing again, and they get to the sort of, the 5-year stretch, or the 7-year stretch, or whatever these tension points are that seem to be organic. Built in, like the tide coming in and out. When I was kicked out on a raft in the middle of the universe, I realised where I was, which was on a raft in the middle of the universe, and that whatever happened presuming I could have started another relationship, would have ended up in the same place if I was lucky. If, big If!
DAVID: Yeah, to get to that point.
JOHN: To get to the same point again. It's like they say about karma, You have to come back and go through that thing again if you don't get it right this lifetime. Well, those laws that are sort of "cosmically" talked about accepted or not accepted, but you know the ones they all talk about they're all referring to they apply down to the minutest detail of life, too. It's like, Instant Karma, which is my way of saying it's right. You know, it happens about a cup of coffee or anything. It's not just some big cosmic thing, it's that as well, but it's also the small things like your life here and your relationship with the with the person you want to live with and be with there are laws governing that relationship, too. And you can either give up halfway up the hill, and say "I don't want to climb this mountain. It's too tough or I'm going to go back to the bottom and start again." And well, we were lucky enough to go through that, and come back and pick up where we left off although. It took us some kind of energy to blend in again, and get in the same sync again.
YOKO: We're not always smiling. We have arguments and all that too.
JOHN: No we don't! [Everyone laughs]
"That old gang of mine..." That's all over, you know. When I met Yoko is when you meet your first woman, and you leave the guys at the bar, and you don't go play football anymore, and you don't go play snooker or billiards. Maybe some guys like to do it every Friday night, or something, and continue that relationship with the boys, but once I found the woman, the boys became of no interest whatsoever other than they were like old school friends, you know, "Hi, how are you? Nice to see you. How's your wife?" You know. That's it. That old gang of mine, it's all over. You know that song, "Those wedding bells are breaking up that old gang of mine." Well, it didn't hit me 'til whatever age I was when I met Yoko, which was 26. 1966 I met but the full impact didn't we didn't get married 'til '68, was it? It all blends into one big movie, but whatever, that was it! The old gang was over the moment I met her, I didn't consciously know it at the time but that's what was going on. As soon as I met her, that was the end of the boys! And it just so happened the boys were well known and weren't just the local guys at the bar. These were guys that everybody else knew, but it was the same thing. That's all over for that but then everybody got so upset about it and angry! But we were so involved in each other we just went and made the records and did sort of Bed-ins and we blasted our way through it!
YOKO: I just sort of you know, went to bed with this guy that I liked and suddenly the next morning I see these three guys standing with these resentful eyes, you know, I mean three relatives, suddenly appeared, you know. So it was inconvenient for me too.
JOHN: Not the bloody Beatles. Let's have no more Beatles, Christianity or Bob Dylan, okay? Let's make that a, because it all becomes the same thing, right.
Her Indica Gallery show was like meeting Don Juan, you know. At first I didn't realize who I was meeting but because I got the initial game, I played the initial game right, is the reason we connected, about the breathing and the apple and the "Yes" and the conceptual money and the nails and all that. Because I said the right answers, I got in. Whatever the right - like you know, the Zen Koan? Well it's the same thing, you know. There're many answers.
DAVID: You make it sound almost like a teacher-pupil relationship.
LENNON: It is a teacher-pupil relationship. That's what people don't understand. She's the teacher and I'm the pupil. I'm the famous one. I'm the one that's supposed to know everything, but she's my teacher. She's taught me everything I fucking know. The lessons are damned hard and I can't take it sometimes because those lessons are hard and that's why I'm the one that freaked out. When we were separate it was me making an asshole of myself in the clubs and in the newspapers. It wasn't her. Her life was ordered. She missed me as a human being and she loved me, but her life was ordered. I went back to her life, it wasn't the other way around.
YOKO: I think that love will never die. I mean once you know somebody you can never unknow the person. If they are not afraid of love then they are always going to love. It's alright to be afraid. That's what I am saying in this song "don't be afraid to be afraid". Don't be shy, don't be scared, you know, it's all that.
JOHN: Your asking me why we met? You know, I mean, I don't know, it's like asking why were you born? You know, I mean, I can give you theories of Karmic pasts and things like that, but I've no idea why but why it continues because is we wanted it to continue and worked hard to continue and what I was getting to, the point where, there seems to be certain cycles that relationships go through, and the critical points are at different parts of the, different cycle, you now, different points if there's a straight line, at different points, you know? And the sort of bit, the new way of talking is like, well, you know, why have a relationship, we just stop and get another one. But the Karmic joke about that is, that, any new relationship - presuming you're lucky enough to find a new relationship of anywhere near the relationship that you're giving up, or exchanging, or walking away from, or have destroyed by inattention or inadvertence or selfishness or whatever it is, that you have to go through the same thing again, anyway you reach the same point, and that's why some of the poor dingbats in, in my business or in so called "show business", go through it over and over and over again, right up 'til they're 70 because they can never grasp onto the fact that they're going to have to go through the same thing again, and they get to the sort of, the 5-year stretch, or the 7-year stretch, or whatever these tension points are that seem to be organic. Built in, like the tide coming in and out. When I was kicked out on a raft in the middle of the universe, I realised where I was, which was on a raft in the middle of the universe, and that whatever happened presuming I could have started another relationship, would have ended up in the same place if I was lucky. If, big If!
DAVID: Yeah, to get to that point.
JOHN: To get to the same point again. It's like they say about karma, You have to come back and go through that thing again if you don't get it right this lifetime. Well, those laws that are sort of "cosmically" talked about accepted or not accepted, but you know the ones they all talk about they're all referring to they apply down to the minutest detail of life, too. It's like, Instant Karma, which is my way of saying it's right. You know, it happens about a cup of coffee or anything. It's not just some big cosmic thing, it's that as well, but it's also the small things like your life here and your relationship with the with the person you want to live with and be with there are laws governing that relationship, too. And you can either give up halfway up the hill, and say "I don't want to climb this mountain. It's too tough or I'm going to go back to the bottom and start again." And well, we were lucky enough to go through that, and come back and pick up where we left off although. It took us some kind of energy to blend in again, and get in the same sync again.
YOKO: We're not always smiling. We have arguments and all that too.
JOHN: No we don't! [Everyone laughs]
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